What are you even talking about? The point was that the anthropologist who has been studying Catalhuyuk for 30+ years says that they didn't have leaders for over 2 k years. And you've decided to disbelieve that based on your amateur opinion. The point is that foragers today still don't have leaders, but you won't accept that because it doesn't make sense to you, no matter how much data is presented to you.

You can debate that other stuff with Elle since she knows more about it than I do, but I trust that she does her research and also that you are one of those guys who is basically a dogmatic crackpot because you've presented nothing at all to support your position and she's presented a lot. Happy to be done - I don't know how much longer I can keep from calling you names.